So after two viewings of The Matrix: Reloaded, I have to say I liked it quite a bit better than some of the early negativity had suggested (although I’m glad I lowered my expectations.) [BIG SPOILERS TO FOLLOW.] To be sure, the first forty minutes of the film, including everything that takes place in Zion, is almost unwatchable. We’re talking Attack of the Clones bad. What with the ponderous soap opera interludes (especially the Jada Pinkett Smith love triangle, the fresh-faced kid recruit, and Link’s worried homefront wife…please), the big, goofy Bacardi Silver commercial (“Your night just got a lot more interesting”), and the mere sight of Councillor Anthony “Straight to Video” Zerbe strolling around in Federation hand-me-downs (why didn’t they just let Cornel West handle that part?), I could understand why Joey Pants (Cypher) decided to pull a Benedict Arnold in the first film. If I had a choice (which, given half of the lecturing in this film, is an open question, I guess) between wearing my sunglasses at night and styling in the Matrix or being forced to join the Matthew McConaughey memorial drum circle every Friday evening at Zion central, I might just cut a deal with the Man too.
But, right about the time Neo gets a call from the Oracle and reenters the Matrix in Chinatown (right under the hard-to-miss Heineken sign), the film finally starts to find its rhythm. Sure, there’s still a lot of overwrought “check out the big brains on us” grandstanding by the Wachowskis [we get philosophy lessons along the way from both a sleazy French existentialist (the Merovingian) and a perfectionist Freud-like (God)father figure (the Architect)], but if you don’t like a little pop psychology with your kick-ass kung-fu, then why exactly are you in line to see a sequel to The Matrix? Alas, Neo and Trinity still don’t really work as an onscreen couple, but most of the action setpieces are breathtaking (particularly the highway chase and truck fight…in the midst of all the new characters showing up, it’s nice to see the Agents still getting their due.) And as expected, Hugo Weaving is just wicked good fun as Agents Smith…they steal every scene they’re in. Finally, though it took me a second viewing to catch everything that was going on, the final meeting with the Architect made for a nice end-of-film twist that’s more inventive than where I’d originally feared they were going with the storyline (i.e., the “real world” is also part of the Matrix, just like every Freddy Krueger/David Lynch movie you’ve ever seen.) So, despite the egregious first act, I have to say I came out of Reloaded with a smile on my face, and am looking forward to seeing what November’s Revolutions has to offer, starting with this special trailer from the Enter the Matrix game. Hopefully, the third film will see a lot less of As the Zion Turns and a little more of the lovely Monica Bellucci….Silly Neo, don’t you know an upgrade when you see one?
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Maybe I’ll get it all on the second viewing too. But in the meantime, can you explain a thing or two? (A) What’s up with Master Elro… er, Agent Smith? Why’s he unplugged, why’s he replicating, and what’s his agenda? (B) Why do the machines need to destroy and recreate Zion on a regular basis? As a safety outlet? Why not just identify those rejecting the Matrix and kill them to begin with, rather than letting them run around and build up all this tension? (C) And why is the door Neo chose the option which will lead to the destruction of the human race?
There’s obviously a few things I’ve missed here.
I got the impression the machines needed a recurrent Zion in order to introduce a necessary element of randomness to what would otherwise be a completely controlled, closed, non-evolving superstructure. Mediated chaos. At least that’s what I think Colonel Sanders gobbledygooked in the White Room.
So anyway, like I said last week… that article didn’t give away the ending. It spoiled the Architect, who is real close to the ending, but a lot happens after him. A lot of real important stuff.
Regarding your questions, Nino, (a) Smith is unplugged because of Neo’s blowing him up at the end of the first film, he’s replicating because he can, and his agenda seems up in the air at the moment, (b) Raza’s hypothesis is as good as anything I’d have to say on the subject, and (c) Neo’s decision not to reboot the Matrix by going through the right door means the system is entering a fatal stall, which will kill everybody connected to the Matrix (and Zion, I guess, will fall anyway.) Abort, Retry, Ignore?
OK, I’ve seen it now and can participate. I take it that Agent Smith stopped being a program controlled by the Powers That Be (presumably the Architect), and is now a virus which has glommed onto the “purpose” of killing Neo. They don’t kill the red-pill people outright because they need to select a new One — a human entropy collector — every so often, thus a convincing new society of rebels needs to spring up to lure this One into the open. Presumably it’s easier to get all the rebels efficiently when they’re gathered in one place jumping up and down to techno. And I take it that the human batteries don’t breed much in their little goo-containers, so Zion also provides the fresh genetic material that human diversity requires. I dunno, maybe it’s better not to think about the big revelations too much.
Nice Unix joke, Kevin! But Persephone is not an upgrade on Trinity.
just to comment on the Agent Smith issue, I believe the Agent Smith program became obselete (they talk about this issue in general in the film). Evidence of this is when Neo is fighting some agents, dodging their blows until one of them catches his fist – he then comments “must be upgrades”. Hence the prior agent program, the one Smith is programmed by, was obselete and hence would have been deleted. This then prompts him to go “rogue”. Why go after Neo then? Because the whole reason his program became obselete was because Neo conquered it (notice I use “it” – smith is an program and not a single individual so this should dispel the myth that smith died in the first matrix.) If Neo would have never come along, the program would never had been upgraded because it sufficed until that point. I hope this helps, some posts sort of hinted or glazed upon some of the stuff I have mentioned so I thought I would just “show all the cards” ala Bush and get that issue settled.
Regarding Persephone v. Trinity, Troutgirl, I must humbly disagree.
I also suspect the Neo-Smith mind meld has a good deal to do with Mr. Anderson’s real-world powers by the end.
Don’t you mean Smith’s matrix-world (faux) powers?
As I said in the original post, I hope that’s exactly where they’re NOT going. If the real world just turns out to be another level of Matrix reality, I’m going to be very unhappy.
Kind of a long post, but what the hey, you guys seem to be the only ones really talking about it.
At the end of the movie Neo declares he can feel the machines, he sticks out his hands, and apparantly an EMP occurs. This concivably could have been fired by the ship which immediately comes over the horizen to rescue them, but this seems unlikely.
If neo retains metaphysical abilities in the “real world” we must assume that this is in fact another level of the matrix. If this is the case however, we must ignore all assumptions which are based on the “reality” they percieve about their “real world”. Including the most basic of assumptions that those who have been unplugged are human at all.
What if?
If the “real world” is in fact still a part of the matrix then we are still trapped in the “brain in a jar” problem of not knowing what has really occured. We don’t know that it’s 2199
and we don’t know that there was ever a war at all.
What we do know is that there have been several versions of the matrix, just as there have been several versions of “the one.” We know that there is a character (the Oracle) who has achieved a greater degree of enlightenment than Neo himself. And we know that there are still legacy programs from previous versions of the Matrix floating around.
My theory is that Neo is an experiment in AI. No matter how fast a program learns or adapts, it is still a program. But what if one day that program realized it was a program? It would then be self aware.
The entire matrix runs on one giant mainfraim and utilizies millions of seperate programs to create a “trial” which “the one” must undergo. As “the one” goes through life as just another “Joe Smith” program he encounters a morphing program, Morpheus, who inserts additional code to him via a “red pill.” “The one” now realizes that just as he can control his own body, he can control the environment around him. He then goes in search of the oracle, who gives him a cookie inserting in him introspection (What you’ll be asking yourself later is, would you have broken the vase had I not warned you about it?)
Along this tangled path he learns about love, betrayel, hope, and despair. In the end of the second movie he encounters the Architect who gives him a choice, he can return to make another pass in the loop, or he can break the loop and continue to the next function (in an attempt to progress further as a program I suppose) He is told that the door he chooses will destroy every life in the matrix, and yet it is presented as the choice he makes every time. Why? I figure it’s because once Neo surpasses the previous “the one” he will eventually become the new architect creating a new and better system and “killing” all of the current programs.
So now we come to where the movie ends. At this point neo has reassembled all of the AI code that was dispersed throughout the system. (The creator talks about this) He’s broken out of the loop, and now he has even realized that the “real world” is the matrix too. What happens next?
I figure that Agent Smith is a competing program, he has been able to do everything that Neo has done including getting free of the first part of the matrix. I figure the final movie is basically a confrontation between him and Smith that ends in him merging the two pieces of code (all while Smith uses that cool absorption trick on him) He realizes he is in fact a program, and figures out what is going on in the real world. My bet is he is the AI program that surpasses humanity, but because of the struggle he went through to gain self awareness in the matrix he will sympathize with the humans and in fact act very much like a human himself.
More than likely this is all contrived bullshit, with no way to prove/disprove it, but it is fun to watch the movie again bearing this hypothesis in mind. Look for the “programs” which contain pieces of “the one” code (Trinity, Morpheus, Seraph, Cipher, Meralvingean, Persephone, Agent Smith..) What’s funny is how each of the programs seems to blatantly tell Neo why they are there and what lesson they want him to learn. (It is purpose that drives us…)
Interesting theory, oversat…it reminded me of this post over at AICN. I got the impression that Neo was the first of the six to choose the Matrix door, because of the Trinity-anomaly in his emotional make-up.
My theory is that the neo was able to stop the sentinels because he is half machine as explained in the animatrix the second renaissance part ii, the fact that he could sense the sentinels is because there are agent smiths in the real world, because within the film he keeps on stating that he can sense smith, and smith says they have a unique bond and that he has been set free from the matrix. I also believe that this is why Neo goes to fight smith in revolutions as he represents all of the sentinels about to attack Zion, and by killing the original smith all of the sentinels become disabled. The theory behind Zion being destroyed several times though is harder to explain maybe it is that the humans time estimations are well off and they don�t realise that there have been several matrix’s, and that the one is a survivor along with the other 32, thus the architect stating that the machines are getting quite good at killing Zion, he never said that it has been completely destroyed. And that Zion has been at different levels of earth.
That theory has many flaws, but so does the theory of a matrix inside of a matrix according to me, mainly because I wouldn�t see the point of neo fighting smith in the 3rd instalment, and the fact that why the machines want to kill the humans so badly, as it would seem the humans would be fighting for no cause.
I think the spoon is just a gift from the kid who bent it in the first film, no more than that. But neo never gave it to the oracle?
Please discuss my theory, though it may have been discussed before.
SORRY FOR SPELLING MISTAKES AND GRAMMAR ERRORS. THIS POST SI WAY TOO LONG TO CHECK PERFECTLY.
O.K., I have already considered the multiple levels of the Matrix idea, it all sounds cool, but how about this:
The ‘human battery’ thing is bullshit, I never bought it from the first movie. Humans destroyed most of the world and their advanced machines/programs bottled everyone up to protect Man from the devastation, and from himself. Machines cannot make big decisions regarding humanity, other than taking care of them, and the Matrix is stuck in a rut, the machines don’t know what to do with Man. Exiles appear for the reason the Creator stated, because some reject the Matrix, whatever. The exiles can be destroyed, so long as the “protection” of humanity as a whole is more important (see Asimov and his robots.) The ‘Creator’ may be the most advanced AI, but he is still just a machine, with all of the inherent limitations (Oracle “machines do what they are intended to do”.) What the machines need is to create a machine/program that CAN decide, that in effect is HUMAN. Hence Father Creator and Mother Oracle set out to create NEO, the one that will take control and break the stalemate of the Matrix. Along the way he is trained, manipulated, tested (the kiss from the French guy’s girlfriend was a test of Neo’s ability to Love – a precurser to the choice he makes about Trinity at the end.) Mother and Father have tried five previous times to create their ‘human’ son, but failed, because those five Neo’s were still just machines and ultimately chose to save Humanity rather than risk it for a girl – because they did not know love. The sixth Neo chooses to save Trinity and risk it all…he can love! But he still has machine abilities, thus the ending where he attacks the seekers in the real world (assuming of course that it is a real world.) Agent Smith is an abberation – one that was caused by a clash with Neo. Agent Smith seems to have some ability to choose as well, and may very well team up with Neo to straighten this all out, who knows. Thus, this is all about overprotective machines and their inability to free humanity to it’s own destructive devises. They realize that humanity is stagnating inside the Matrix, but they do not know how to break the cycle.
They have no free will.
They simply do what they do.
Sorry, by ‘Creator’ I meant ‘Architect’
Electricnoir, I’m torn as to whether Neo is half machine…on a gut level, that seems like a cop-out for me. But I do agree that his powers may have something to do with the Smith mind-meld. (The Niobe-Oracle conversation posted here mentions something about Neo touching the Source or somesuch, though…)
Jim, I think you’re definitely on to something with your thesis, particularly the (ugh) “Love conquers all” part…it just makes too much sense given (a) the usual studio film dynamics and (b) the ideas driving Bound, the Wachowskis’ previous film. But I’m not sure that the machines won’t end up being more malevolent. While your argument makes sense from an Asimovian perspective, Smith’s man=virus rant to Morpheus at the end of the first Matrix suggests that at least some machines can be as petty and self-absorbed as humans when they want to.
How about this theory my wife came up with? Agent Smith has learned how to replicate himself. Neo can stop sentinals, but to stop (how many?) 5? practically killed him. 20,000 (?) sentinals are heading for Zion — “One for every man, woman and child…”
If Neo learns how to replicate himself from Agent Smith, he can save Zion.
Hmm…that’s interesting. I’m not sure they’re going to go that route, though, for all the religious allegory reasons. If Neo is the “One,” then it seems strange that he’d become the Many. Plus, I thought Smith’s multiplying (other than making for souped-up fight scenes, of course) was a play on the demon(s) exorcised by Christ in the New Testament (“I am Legion”). If that’s the case, then they can’t very well have him multiplying all over the place. But, it’s possible.
Kevin, I agree that there are problems with my theory, but that is always the case when you try to second guess someone elses story, that is why it is fun to guess and see if you can come close, right!
I think agent Smith displayed animosity towards humans for two reasons: he and the other agents are programmed to be ruthless with the exiles precisely because they are perceived as a threat to the Matrix and thus to the preservation of Humanity, and, he is tied into the mainframe, perhaps more intimately than most programs are, so that he can know what threats are out there and recieve orders, so maybe he is picking up on the frustration of the Architect in it’s attempt to keep humanity under control, frustration which translates as hate to agent Smith because of his built in ability to chase down and kill exiles and, wherever necssary, innocent bystanders.
It is akin to asking a high security prison guard what he thinks of his fellow man.
Also, these AI programs are very sophisticated. I think they could display emotions as nearly as convincing as a human’s, but they still stop short of having true human qualities. The French guy does not seem to be able to offer true love and devotion to his girl, which is why she becomes frustrated and wishes to see what true love is by having Neo kiss her as though she were a real human, Trinity. The oracle may have fed the girl a special cookie to make her yearn for this and thus provide a test of Neo.
To further back up my opinion that the machines are taking care of us and cannot destroy us as a species, consider this:
In the first movie, when Neo took the red pill and woke up, the machine which disconnected flushed him could have easily killed him. Why not? Even if it is a dumb drone, why let an obvious potential exile go? Why not issue instructions that any human who wakes up be destroyed, just twist thier necks to be sure they are dead before fluching them down the drain!
The Architect flat out said that they could live without humans, so why bother with all of the headaches involved in maintaining the Matrix when they could just destroy us? I maintain that they cannot do it, even if they had some secret desire to, they must continue with the way things are.
The point is made over and over again in the second movie that machines/programs do what they are intended to do, they just do what they do. This must be an important idea or they would not repeat it constantly. The council member went on and on about how we could not live without machines – this means something very important in the movie, what is it?
I see in the trailer from the Matrix game, that it appears as of agent Smith can fly, did it look that way to you? Also, he is seen laughing, something no agent has ever done. He is obviously waking up to his new abilities just as Neo did. Damned if I can guess how he will fit in, though.
Lastly, the French guy made a big deal about how Neo was just following orders and responding to circumstance, this could indicate that he knows Neo is just a construct and that he is ridiculing the Architect’s and the Oracle’s attempt to create a humanlike machine. He is saying that he thinks Neo is fullfilling his programming just like any other third rate construct. OR, this guy could be administering a test for the Architect, challenging Neo’s intellectual reasoning and ability to make his own choices, just as the girl was performing the Oracle’s test to see if Neo could display love. Your Dad wants to know how mentally competent you are, while your Mom wants to make sure you are socially competent and healthy. So our boy Neo is a horny little fuck, but can’t think worth a damn – guess Mom won out this time.
Besides, I know that Neo is a machine. The operator in the first movie was feeding Neo training files and he said to Morpheus: “He’s a machine!” Case closed.
I have been cheating on this forum, by participating in another one, but I wanted to share my latest theory. My Anti-battery theory is dead since the Animatrix movies confirm how the machines first enslaved mankind. Here you go, sorry it is so long:
“The Matrix is older than you know.” – Architect
How old? There is no reason to believe that our calendar date resets with each update to the Matrix, after all, there are exiled programs all over the place which are stated to be from older versions of the Matrix. One of these is the Merovingian who indicates that he has met some of Neo’s predecessors who ‘had better manners.’ So, if the current update is at least 100 years old, as Morheus says, and we are on the 6th update, then the Matrix could be 600 years old…
But why not older than that? What if it goes all the way back to the earliest recorded Human history? The Architect said he originally created a perfect world, like a paradise, maybe THE paradise. Perhaps Adam was the first Neo.
All of our history could well be Matrix history. We can’t know what our history really was – who would have recorded it? If we knew about a pre-Matrix history, then we would be aware of the Matrix. That does not mean that there really was an Adam and Eve, just a fable that grew out of the fact that we used to live in a (Matrix) paradise, that something bad happened, and that we were expelled from paradise into a world with evil. The Architect sent man from the Garden of Eden. He then created a flawed world, to match Man’s imperfections. He drew from our REAL history to make the Matrix match our ‘flawed’ nature, so that it would appear more real to us. There were still problems, and the Mother of the Matrix helped with that – something I am not sure about, so hopefully someone else can explain the finer points of the solution she discovered involving the ‘unconcious choice to accept the Matrix’.
At this point, I must beg forgiveness – I am not in any way religious, so forgive any mistakes I make regarding true religious history.
As time went by, the imbalance in the Architect’s equations grew to an (anticipated) point to where a prophet, messiah, saint, whatever you want to call it, appears among the Human’s. This person is the personification of our desire for deliverence, or for a leader, God, or whatever. This need is especially so with the people who leave the system and end up in Zion – they seek hope and purpose, some figure to worship. That is why Neo is so tied in with the “Zion anomaly” that the Architect speaks of.
However, both in mathematics and science and in Mythology, often times one thing is accompanied by it’s opposite. The One is a Messiah. His appearance is prophecized. He appears, grows in power, then he dies – and is reborn and rises from the dead, and when he does, when he fully BECOMES the Messiah, then his opposite is also born….Satan. Agent Smith is destroyed and reborn as the personification of Evil. He wants power, he steals souls, he wants EVERYTHING.
As far as the Architect and the Matrix are concerned, the One is the “eventuality” of the imbalance in the system. The purpose of the One is to then enter the Source, download his code (he is human, but his Matrix image contains information about human nature that the system needs for the next update), and then go on to found the new Zion. When the One downloads his code, it is like balancing a formula, and it cancels out the other part of the anomally which is represented by agent Smith.
Jesus loved Man. He died to save Man and erase Man’s sins (or something like that.) According to the Architect, the one is enhanced so as to have ‘a profound attachment to the rest of humanity’, thus the One would love his fellow humans and choose to save Humanity (just as Christ did) by sacrificing himself. (Neo has already died to save Moroheus, and was reborn.) Since the One is the personification of Zion, Zion also is destroyed, then rises again.
Many figures from our Matrix history could be versions of the One. Moses, Jesus, and others who made sacrifices, led men to freedom, or otherwise displayed great powers on behalf of Mankind, could each have been a version, or a Mythological representation of the One.
Now we have Neo. His affinity for Mankind is ‘more specific’, says the Architect. He loves Trinity and will not choose to destroy Zion, but instead rushes off to save Trinity, thinking that he can save Humanity later. As far as the Architect knows, it is imperative that the One go to the Source to balance the equation, otherwise, Evil will flourish and destroy the Matrix. Thus, with the sentinel army destroying Zion, and Evil destroying the Matrix, Humanity itself will be elliminated. Agent Smith will cause the cataclysmic system crash that the architect refers to. By choosing to go back into the Matrix to save Trinity, Neo is unleashing the Evil of agent Smith upon the Matrix world. The Architect, being a machine, and thus having a logical, mathematical mind, beleives that Neo’s choice will inevitably lead to a system crash. But Neo is human, and does not rely solely upon logic. Neo can attempt to be ‘more than the sum of his parts.’ It will be difficult, but Neo will have to face agent Smith and beat him. He must destroy Evil on his own to save Humanity.
In the previews, we see that Neo will have a final showdown with Smith. I think he will be successful, though he may die in the process, and that the Matrix will go on, perhaps changed. We will see this new Matrix in the online game, which is billed as “Continuing where the movie leaves off,” where you can play a character inside the Matrix.
But don’t be disapointed, after all, they can’t spontaneously release Humanity from the Matrix. Imagine millions, perhaps billions of people being flush out of the battery towers all at once, it would take a fleet of Roto-Rooters to unclog the logjam, and then all of them would drown before Morpheus could pick them all up! No, the Matrix will have to be adjusted gradually in order to awaken Mankind, and certain programs including the Oracle, whom Neo has ‘made a beleiver’ may help mankind emerge. And then Humans and Machines can live happily ever after…La, la, la-la…The End
I am afraid that the story is going to be a lot more simple and typical then we all think. I think neo will somehow reach a greater level of power free the humans from the matrix(Zion included). But i also beleive that Neo is either a machine (like the ones that were comverted in the last movie in the Animatrix) or a program that will not exist when he frees the humans to the real world. or maybe it is all a dream, because remember when he goes to the door to talk to Choi in the first movie and says “Ever have the feeling where u don’t know if you are awake or still dreaming?” also can someone explain to me what the french guy is?
Ok guys, I hate to tell you all of this, but the truth is: Neo still has powers in the real world because….
The Real World is still a Matrix. The program is making them think they have been unplugged, but they haven’t. I know it sucks doesn’t it? I used to get told off at school for writing stories which ended, “then I woke up and it was all a dream.” Oh well.
im sorry but i think your wrong about the real world is the matrix theory. Ive seen the matrix 2 times now too and the second time i had time to figure out and analys what they were saying. The wachowskis put that thing in to make you believe you know the ending but you dont its far too simplae and they are far too smart to write a crappy storyline like that its a trick. I have two theories and a bit of evidence to support it
(1) Neo, the one, is a rogue program, which in this case would make your theory real but for different reasons. The oracle talks about rogue programs being anomalies and they can exile or be deleted. In the start where they are having the meeting in the matrix and neo fights those three agents they sayd something like here he is the anomaly the exile, exile hmm, as in he wasnt acting right and he had a choice between deletion by agent smith in the first one or exile and he is an exile rogue program.
(2)My second theory is that after neo flies out of the architects building and saves trinity and goes out of the matrix that even when hes in the real world he is still in the matrix, this kinda makes your theory right too but, it was the real world before but the architect tricked him into going that way and they are still in the matrix thats why he stopped the machines, that means the machines are stalling them thinking they are in the real world and zion is destroyed but they are not and its distraction from in the real real world zion getting destroyed. Also they say the prophecy is over when the one goes to the source and neo says to morpheus the oracle lied and its not true because he went to the source but the dumbfuck NEVER WENT TO THE SOURCE IN THE FISTPLACE!!! i assure you go and watch it again. when he is talking to the architect the architect says the door on the left leads to saving trinity but destruction of zion and the RIGHT DOOR LEADS TO THE SOURCE AND EVENTUALLY TO SAVE ZION. dont you see neo fell for the trick he never went to the source the architect wasnt the source he was just the gatekeeper.
these are storylines that will be resolved in revolutions, if they are true of course but ther are some pretty big signs that i am right.
thats just my input bye now
Want a clue as to what happened to neo at the end. Listen to the conversetion of him and the father of the matrix. There is alot in that conversatin to think about. His mind at least in part was downloaded. “The purpose of the one now is to return to the source so the code you carry can be…” I have a feeling who has him now. The merovigian. “I delt with your perdisciors boy…”
Morpheus said that the one before neo freed the first of them but never said how he died.
COMFIRMED INFO FROM REVOLUTIONS!!!!!here’s your answers to a lot people. there are 3 aspects of literature the movie uses, the Bible, Greek Mythology, and alice in wonderland. and a little history also.
did some research. NOTE: My theory is strongly backed up by the writers comments, and tidbits of info they have given and strongly fits to the trailer from the end of the movie. i know it is really long but,IF YOU ARE A TRUE MATRIX FAN you HAVE to read this!!!!! Please do. read carefully!!
Please feel free to email me under suject line “MATRIX KNOWLEGDE” if you have a distupe or comment i am not saying i am right but i think my research and listening to the writers of the movie have me close
Merovingian, the french guy……
1.his name is for a line of french kings that ruled from 500-751 ad which is going to be the date of the first matrix i am guess. it also means bloodline which could have some connection to neo
2. the french guys g/f persephone is a greek myth character that is taken to hell to rule with pluto….
which leads me to believe that the “hell” that the oracle tells trinity she has to go to in order to get neo in a preview for revolutions. (neo is not dead his mind is trapped in hell inside the matrix) back is the french guys house which explains all the weird happenings and people there
3.Seraph, who is protecting the oracle, name is one of the highest order of angels in heaven which explains why he looked so wierd when neo looked at him
4. Morpheus is the Greek God of dreams
5. Niobe was a greek character who was turned to stone from weeping over her slain children so i guess she dies maybe
“bane” ,the guy who is lying on the table with neo at the end, means death, slayer, killer
5. In a scene on enter the matrix persephone kisses niobe
she kisses just about everybody
i think she is infecting the with something
but…..
i think it explains what the french guy was trying to show them by given the woman the orgasm cake
i think she and he is infecting everyone with something
that may be the reason why only neo is in the matrix in that scene from the revolutions trailer when morpheus says ” he fights for us”
so i think that the Merovingian wrote the smith program
which means….
the smith clones are like “the demons” attacking the world……
and merovingian is like “the devil”
which explain why he has been around so long and why he has persephone( who was taken to hell in greek Mythology)
Neo is the savior and the Oracle is the divinity
6. what about the architect?
so the person the oracle is telling him about when she says” i fear if you don’t stop him tonight tomorrow may never come. is merovingian leaded the machines, not the Architect, Not Agent smith.
i believe…….
the aarchitect is part of what merovingian is doing. another system of his control.
because remember, Merovingian name is a line of kings which means he is very important
this also explains the hellish characters at his house, the ghost twins and and the guard who the french guys g/f shot in the room when should took neo and everyone to find the keymaker (they were vampires i.e. the silver bullets she shoot them with, the comment about them being really old and hard to kill, and the vampire movie on the screen be hind them)
the alice in wonderland aspect is the distortion of the world, the dark wierdness.
I just hope he doesn’t wake up and it is all a dream, like alice in wonderland
the morpeus line “I have dreamed a dream and now that dream is gone from me” is from Greek mtyhology also i believe
i know the architect is not as important as he thinks he is …………..
becuase he did not know that neo would be able to save trinity at the end he thought even if he attempted to save her she would die.
i think the true man is Merovingian
something is not as it seems
it has to do with him, the oracle , and architect
something with those three is going to twist
also the scene where trinity is fighting in “HEll to save neo’s, is in the french guy’s house!!!! thank you people PLEASE read my stuff!!!
People remember that “alice in Wonderland” was one of the insprirations they used to create this movie, and remember at the end of that movie she wakes up so don’t be surprised if neo wakes up in he apartment and it is all a dream and it starts over at the scene where “choi” knocks on the door like in the beginning. because remember what he tells choi when he opens the door “Ever have that feeling where you can’t tell if you’re awake or still dreaming. so it may be a dream and they may do an “or was it?” type of a deal
Note: Merovingian has some control or doing in the Neo, agent smith. which explains why agent smith says before the big fight scene with all the copies , “we aren’t here because we are free, Mr.anderson, we are here because he are not free” and it also explains the reason mervoingian says,”choice is an illusion”. Because he has some control in these things that are happening. so the woman in resturant whom he gave the Orgasm cake was not a meaning less part to the movie, but rather a demonstration, or hint to what he is able to make people do and believe,(like the cookie at the Oracles house in the beginning may come into play and the kiss from Pershephone. it ALL means something. NOTE: ALL this information I am getting is all but comfirmed by scene from enter the matrix, things said by producer Joel silver, and things the writers and Keanu have said. And the Names of the characters clear up A LOT about Reloaded as well as revolutions. please read where i have explained the names and other aspects of the movie above
NOTE: comment from previews of revolutions defunc the theory of Zion being the matrix too. For one thing, at the beginning of the clip the oracle says “Zion will fall if you don’t stop him tonight” (clips or her from enter the matrix confirm that she is NOT going to sell them out) also Link’s, the ship operator, wife Zee is going to sell out Zion in revolutions. I heard that from the writers mouths when they were explaining how they replaced Aaliyah after she died. so no zion is not the matrix. The reason he could use those powers inside the real world is because agent smith was inside banes mind. what makes more sense is Neo being after machine after watching the animatrix and hearing what the writer have to say about the final movie
I have watched the architect scene over and over and I am now convinced that Neo is a program. Comments?
yea i thought that too. don’t you think if they get the the actual real world he may not exist there. i think they may do a sad “i love u but have to go” type think with trinity and him. what do you think, Spoiler?
there ‘s an animatrix movie where the Kid who runs up to Neo in Zion at the begining of reloaded, firgures out that the matrix isn’t real on his own and he is praying to neo like he is jesus. i think some how they are doing a architect is God, Neo is like jesus thing. so somehow he may be gone at the end of the movie sacrificing his life or something i don’t know. This movie is so non-predictable it is great. did anyone notice there is a scene from the architects room in the Matrix 1? remember the scene when he is in the interrogation scene at the beginning with agent smith? at the beginning of that scene they show the television screens from the end of reloaded. i guess he was watching. i know everyone saw it already but i just noticed it. it kinda cool.
Brandon, when I saw the first Matrix film, I though it was brilliant, except for the nasty tacky, “Kiss to bring back to life” scene! Which was then repeated in the second film!
I have a feeling like I said originally that they are still in the Matrix and I agree with you that the Architect did just lie to Neo, he didn’t have a choice at all.
I fear that your comments are also true about the “I love you, but you have to go” thing in the end of the story.
All I do know is that I think the Third one should just be a film about Monica Bellucci!
Keep up the Good work Brandon, your are having some good ideas.
Reloaded was the Empire Strikes Back, where the Architect (Vader) is Neo (Luke’s) Father!
I think EVERY movie, not just the matrix, should be just about Monica Bellucci from now on. I think she will play a big role in revolutions, with the whole trinity going to hell to save Neo thing, and the meaning of her characters name being a woman who was taken to hell to rule. so thats something to look forward to.
hey everyone. i just figured something out. the Architect says to Neo that if he does not enter the door to the source it will kill everyone connected to the matrix. it will kill everyone in Zion. that means that the people in zion are still connected to the matrix. Maybe zion is the program build to govern the human like the oracle said a program was built to govern everything.
I’ve got this crazy idea that in Revolutions the humans and machines will ultimately fight together to free themselves of the control of the matrix. In the second movie it was made clear that there are many programs that are not happy with their controlled lives. Agent Smith is an example of a program that was “killed” (and needed to be deleted) but decided that he would not return to the “source” as he was supposed to (he actually says this, just listen to his conversation in the park just before the big fight)… this made him a rogue program like many of the others.
There was also some foreshadowing in the conversation between Neo and the councilman… it was said that humans and machines need each other. This is what the Revolution will be in the next movie… the humans and machines realizing that they need each other and then working together instead of fighting each other.
Regarding Neo being able to stop the sentinels at the end… I’m thinking that the “real world” is nothing more than a “safety net” matrix environment that catches the humans who choose not to be in the matrix. They wake up in a world of so much misery that it just has to be real… and they believe it.
There is no Matrix, There is no second matrix that is, the Real World is THE REAL WORLD! Neo can do what he can do in the real world pertains only to machines, he cannot do any of his super cool Dragonball Z style fighting moves in the real world unless he was like A DBZ character (which would just be ludacris) Neo is also the only neo to live this long, hence him saying “something’s different” No other Neo has lived as long as him so his powers are still developing, in a random state. the reason Neo exists in the first place is because of the fact that the matrix exists, it’s a controlled mediated enviroment but as anyone and everyone knows that is impossible to do. It’s like the whole Matrix happening to the Matrix, Humanity and the Machines have come full circle, Humanity wanted to controll their enviroment, but it ended in failure, every time you try to block the path of a river the pressure keeps building, Neo is the result of the barrier being broken on control, To try to prevent Neo from occuring the Archetect who thinks only in order, logic, and reason. needed an element of randomness, Chaos to counteract Neo, this came in the form of the Oracle, who is the counterpart of the Archetect, however, while searching for a way to stop neo somewhere along the lines a new program was created, this program was the opposite of Neo, Machine, not man, circuitry not Blood, this was to create a method of mediated chaos within the matrix, however this program quickly raged out of controll, consumed by Hatred, Ego and confronted with the unacceptible idea that he can be beaten. this is Agent Smith. Agent Smith I sencerly doubt was created by the merdolvinchian, I think he was made by the Oracle to try to counteract Neo, however Agent smith could not complete his task of stopping Neo from becoming the one. so in turn he was facing deletion perminantly. he went rouge and has now become the greatest threat to humanity and the machines there is, Agent smith is Chaos unbridled. David your Crazy idea isnt that crazy, ive had the same idea, after watching Matrix Reloaded, the animatrix and of course the first installment, I came up with a theory where it would end in a truce, a peace. Humanity and Machines would learn to live together rather than trying to control one another. a Balance, a sort of Yin/Yang. The Matrix was designed after the world of Today, The Matrix isnt trying to tell us that right now we are in the matrix. no, The Matrix is just something that was desinged first after complete order, monotony, and repetition. the Archetect designed the first matrix and it was for lack of a better term boring as hell. It was like living in the Truman show. the same thing every day, everyone having the same life, it was like we were zombies, and so we kept trying to wake up from it. The Oracle found that the only way to make it work is to redesign the matrix, so it was, Most versions were like they were now, I don’t beleive there were versions of the matrix that had Samurai and Romans in them, The Samurai training program was just that, a Program obviously created on Zion. Zion is actualy a Christian term, Zion is a place in Isreal, more specificaly Jeruselum, where Jesus preached, its a hill. Nebackanezer (I know my spelling isnt the best.) was the name of the King of Babylon who eventualy was reduced to a rabid animal lost his mind and his Kingship for 40 years. Also, Seraph is short for Seraphim, which is the name of an Angel in the book of Revelations, a six winged angel. Seraphim bassicaly means Cleansing Flame.
And am I the only one who reckognizes the not so subtle Video game refference of the Character Link? who has a Girlfrieand he calls Z? Id like to take a closer look at that necklace of hers. and it’s too bad Link can’t go into the Matrix, I guess it would be a bit too blatant to have him running around in a Green Trenchcoat and a Gun with 3 Triangles on it. but if you notice, Z had three beads on her necklace, they are teardrop shaped and in a Triangular formation. sound familiar?
Also the APU’s those Mechas you saw, got me thinking about a certain other Anime that has Mechas and a place that resembles the name Zion or Zeon I was looking through all the APU’s to try if one had the Words Gundam or something pertaining to the series painted on it.
I consider Matrix to be a Live Action Anime, I thought so when I saw the first one and other people who disagreed with me now cannot deny it. it’s the only good one too. It sortof has a similar feal to Neon Genisis Evangellion, lets just hope for humanities sake it doesent end the same way!
here in las vegas fighting the telephaty war against Ramesis the2nd and NUCHODONOSSOR we are pleased to read this article. MATRIX IS VERY REAL. BELEIVE IN OUS AND WE WILL NOT PERISH. ALL PRAISE ALLAH. THE VIRGEN MAR OF NAZERETH. GOOD BYE FROM VECKS AND CRAPPY. NEO TRINITY 4 EVER. I LOVE .
You guys seem too good to be real. Maybe I’ll see you in another game of Counter-Strike? I’ll be Neo.